Stacey Abrams has spent her career working to expand participation in American democracy—from her leadership in the Georgia House of Representatives to her historic campaign for governor, and through her ongoing efforts to strengthen civic engagement nationwide. Alongside her sister, Jeanine Abrams McLean, she has helped build organizations like Fair Count to ensure that communities historically left out of the democratic process are seen, heard, and fully counted. Drawing on her background as a researcher, Abrams McLean has played a central role in shaping Fair Count’s data-driven approach, helping to identify undercounted communities and translate complex demographic insights into practical strategies for outreach and engagement. In conversation with Frances Stead Sellers, Abrams and McLean reflect on what it takes to move from participation to power, and how sustained, on-the-ground work can lead to lasting change in who is represented and how decisions are made. They also discuss Abrams’s recent 10 Steps initiative, which offers a framework for understanding and responding to the forces that threaten democratic institutions. Together, they consider how a more complete and accurate picture of who we are can help build a stronger, more representative democracy.